[00:00:00] Speaker A: Did you say you were also 15 years sober before you shared?
[00:00:03] Speaker B: Yes. I waited because I still felt the shame and the stigma around women in recovery. So I was just drinking wine, but I was blacking out every time I drank.
[00:00:10] Speaker C: On October 7th of 2010, the phone rang. It was my mom on the other end and she was wailing. I could make out that my dad had died. His health was failing and he didn't want to be a burden on the rest of us.
[00:00:23] Speaker D: Interested in just some of the tools that you give people or you help them to realize in overcoming some of these challenges.
[00:00:31] Speaker C: The first thing is welcome to H. Rodney Botanist Talks. Where the Children stars tonight.
[00:00:42] Speaker D: Tonight on today's episode, we have two amazing guests, Greg Schindler and Hilary Phelps. It brings together two voices who. Who are redefining what it means to live and lead with intention. Greg calls himself the Longevity CEO, helping others build lives and businesses that last. Hillary is the creator of the Right Room Platform, a space for thoughtful, vulnerable and powerful conversation. Together we'll unpack their journeys and explore how healing, discipline and vision shape the way we show up in both business success and in life.
Hi, I'm Britt Arnold. And I am president of Tegler Construction and Supply.
[00:01:24] Speaker A: And I'm Mick Arnold, president of Arnold Packaging and Arnold Automation.
[00:01:28] Speaker D: Welcome to the Love and Business podcast. Today we have a very special episode. We have two great guests on here, Greg Schindler and Hilary Phelps. Thank you so much for joining us.
[00:01:40] Speaker C: Thank you for having us.
[00:01:41] Speaker D: Yes, absolutely. We're excited to get into this. And one thing that really resonated with us and is exciting is your dynamic. You live, work and play together as Mick and I do, and that's hard to find. So when we met you guys, gosh, what was it? A couple of months ago, Hilary, you and I were on a panel for the Nancy Grasnik Leadership Institute, and we were speaking to a really powerful room of business women. I was listening to you and your story just resonated so much. But it was your authenticity that just resonates, really came through. And that's right afterwards, we're like, we have to talk to her more and get to know her. And then at the same time, Greg, we met, you and Mick and I looked at each other like, that's so uncommon to find a couple that's doing in different spaces similar to what you and I are doing and working and living and doing life together. So those are what we wanna get into today. Your story, but also just your dynamic and how. How it all works for you guys. So I'll pass the mic to you.
[00:02:45] Speaker A: Yeah, I think bios, you know, we, we have, are so fortunate to have you here and, and thank you. We're looking forward to, to sharing your story with our audience. And as we start up season three and, and we're excited to get into some more guests and, and we're constantly working on the podcast and this is just an evolution for us. So thank you. Why don't you give us some bio? You know, we, we'd love for you to tell our audience what you're up to, how you got here, and, and then we'll build out on it from there like we always do.
[00:03:11] Speaker C: You go first.
[00:03:13] Speaker B: I am Hillary. I am a mom to a sweet little seven year old boy. We were just talking earlier. He's a Gemini and so he's curious and unpredictable and very smart. And the only thing I ever wanted to do was be a mom. And, you know, in my life, I didn't really know what I wanted. I'm a crier. We talked about this on the panel too. I will probably cry.
[00:03:39] Speaker D: There's been many tears on this podcast.
Mostly Mick.
[00:03:43] Speaker C: That's my job.
[00:03:44] Speaker B: Oh, yes, I love that.
[00:03:46] Speaker C: Oh, yeah.
[00:03:47] Speaker A: I'm a sympathetic crier, so be careful.
[00:03:50] Speaker B: I am too. Yeah.
And, you know, secondly, I am a woman in long term recovery, so I'm 17 years sober coming up on 18 years in June.
And that was a huge transition point in my life in 2007 and then again in 2022 when I started sharing my story really openly as a woman in long term recovery. I feel like there is a big sh of shame and stigma around recovery, specifically women in recovery. And I wanted to decrease that because I think without talking about it, we can't decrease the shame and the stigma. And without decreasing shame and stigma, we can't change policy or get help for women that are struggling. And so I started speaking really openly about that and my process and experience. That same year, I also launched the Right Room, which is a platform to help women in transition. And that transition can be anything from getting sober, going through a divorce, leaving a toxic relationship, changing jobs. You know, as women, we constantly, I think, shed these layers of old beliefs or habits or who we are, and we become these new people and women. And so I wanted to help women navigate those transitions and challenges. And we do that through a variety of ways on the platform. And yeah, that's, I think, a little bit about me and doing life with this incredible human who truly makes me better every day and sees me for who I am. And he's the only person that I've. Not the only person I've met, but the only person that I've been in a relationship with that shines the light on me, right? And he really elevates me and puts me in the front and shines a spotlight on instead of trying to stand in front of. And so everything I've done, he's like, great. How can I help you? What can we do to help you achieve that goal or that dream, not only through action, but also through belief. And he's this really strong presence in my life of love and belief and joy and partnership. And I'm grateful to be here with him today. Wow.
[00:05:53] Speaker D: That's really hard to find.
[00:05:55] Speaker C: Yeah. Now I'm gonna cry.
[00:05:56] Speaker D: Yeah, me too.
[00:05:59] Speaker B: That's just the beginning. I mean, I can go on.
[00:06:02] Speaker A: Hard to find and hard to follow. Over to you. Holy hell. Yeah, that's a tough seat.
[00:06:07] Speaker C: Hence the silence and the slow start here. No, I. It's. It's hard to. To follow that up. But, you know, everything she said, you know, I guess I'll start first with. With us.
And the relationship is. Is just that. It's everything she said, where you just. Two people come together to try to lift each other up, support each other, and we joke. Had I found her a While, you know, 10 years ago, or maybe even, you know, five years ago, I would have screwed it up. I would have messed.
[00:06:37] Speaker D: That's funny.
[00:06:38] Speaker C: That's what I say.
[00:06:38] Speaker D: Yeah, you did.
[00:06:39] Speaker C: I wasn't ready. Yeah. For, you know, I guess maybe, you know, an adult relationship or at least one that has this. This level of love and maturity and. And vulnerability. And as. I think the thing that's most critical is that we're super vulnerable with each other. There's that safety and there's that honesty and that. That knowing in that truth that if we open up and we become vulnerable and say some of those things that you absolutely don't want anyone else in the world to ever hear come out of your mouth, that it's okay and it's safe, and that's what she taught me, and it allows me to show up. I think for you, in the way that you just described is because I feel so empowered.
And for me, it was. You know, and if we dig into a little bit of my story, you'll see safety for me was everything. And I didn't even really realize. Realize that until I got a lot older.
And to tie that into the bio. I grew up in Texas. I grew up south of Houston, Texas in a blue collar neighborhood and what I would probably call America poor. Right? I mean, I didn't go without. I was an only child. My mom made sure that I had, you know, new clothes for the school year and new, you know what I mean? I didn't go without. But what I didn't see is she was working two and three jobs behind the scenes. And my dad was a challenge. He was, he struggled with alcoholism and, and was really unpredictable and I wound up losing him when I was 12.
And so that first part of that upbringing, when you, when you, when you're in a house like that, that has uncertainty and unpredictability, you start to see now why as an older, where safety becomes important. Right? You don't know that in the beginning of the journey you just, you're trying to figure all this stuff out, but it breeds a little bit of resilience into you and a little bit of grit and a little bit of adaptability, like you don't know what's coming, which can serve you well later in life, but can also be a thing that can distract you and you maybe run away a little bit before you give the magic a chance to happen in certain situations. Hence, like I said, had I met her before some of this work and realization, I would have probably screwed this up. So Houston, Texas, where I grew up and just a pretty boring, you know, I graduated from military school and went to college like a lot of people and have four kids, a girl and three boys who are just amazing humans. I'm older now. My two youngest sons have, are there at Texas A and M and, and doing their thing.
And I've been an entrepreneur for a long time and the longevity CEO piece that you had talked about really came through within the last iteration of.
I got involved in longevity medicine with a stem cell clinic that we created and built down in San Jose, Costa Rica. Really focused on trying to help people live healthier and potentially longer.
That's where that whole moniker did a lot of talk speaking and trying to educate people on what was going on. And there's a lot of breakthroughs that happened in the last 12 to 15 years that made a lot of this possible. So that's where that came from. And it was really the first time in my life that what I did on a daily basis, I saw the direct impact on someone's life, their health. You would see people come in broken, you'd see them six, eight, nine, ten months later, you almost unrecognizable and happy into tears. Sometimes happy that what they had done and the sort of transformation they had gone through with their health. So that was really cool, really rewarding, and I wanted more and more and more of it, and we did really well. I'm very proud of what we built in Costa Rica. And so we're helping people live healthier and potentially longer. And then along the way, I started realizing that a lot of these people still didn't have.
They weren't connected to deeper purpose or deeper fulfillment or meaning or joy. And so I thought, well, what would that look like if we expanded the definition of longevity, which is a big word anyway, to include not just living healthier and potentially longer, but deeper, fuller lives with joy and connection, deep connection and meaning. What would that look like? And so that's where I'm at today as the CEO of a company called Om Yah. Om being the original sound of creation, Yah being Hebrew for life. So it's really a call to life. That's what that's about.
[00:11:31] Speaker D: So this is the very first episode of the guest series that we're gonna be rolling out. We are bringing some very engaging and interesting guests onto our podcast. So please, if you're interested, don't forget to subscribe. So when every episode comes out, you're notified and you can join in on the conversation.
Can you build on that and tell us what the company like, what your mission is, what you guys actually do?
[00:11:58] Speaker C: Yeah. So it's a great question. It's somewhat of a black box if you think of it like this.
It's a place for.
Think of. So let's start there. The definition of success. We believe the world's definition of success is broken. Right. It focuses on achievement and wealth.
[00:12:17] Speaker A: Yeah. And external. Right. Versus excellence.
[00:12:21] Speaker C: That internal. Somebody asked me the day, well, what's different about Omya? And say, this organization? And I said, that organization will provide tools and mentorship to sort of help you build your legacy.
Omya will help you become the kind of person that legacy requires. So there's a transformation, and it's deep inner work and transformation that has to happen to where you start getting connected to something beyond. Because a lot of the people that we serve have already been successful by a lot of standards, by society standards. They've achieved. They've created fantastic wealth. And they got there and said, is this it? There has to be more. And so through a combination of these immersive experiences, some holistic coaching, and what I call a conscious network, an activated conscious network of visionaries, entrepreneurs, and change makers, people who have big ideas to change the world and create impact. That's what Omya is.
We have a trillion. Our bhag is a trillion dollars worth of impact over the next 20 years. Developing the next generation of conscious leaders and seeing someone in the political spectrum in the White House, possibly as an awakened conscious leader. So that's the big vision, big dream, you know, for omga.
[00:13:39] Speaker D: One thing that seems to be, at least as I understand it, a common thread and what you're both doing is community.
And as I get older and I listen to a lot of different knowledgeable people in the space and just look at all the studies, it seems like community is the biggest predictor of longevity beyond anything else. Like you think it's your physical health and all these things. But the more studies that come out, they're looking at the relationships that people have as they get older. And you guys probably know the studies way better than I do. But that seems, that community piece seems to be such a massive part, if not the most important thing as it relates to happiness, longevity and all these things that you guys are all about.
So that's just something that like community, a servant to the community is what I think you both are. And do I love that.
[00:14:34] Speaker B: I mean, yeah, there's a loneliness epidemic, right, that's happening especially after the pandemic of people being isolated and mental health and being, you know, people have that faux connection through our phones. We're like, oh, I know what's happening, or I'm following them on social media or I see that person, right? But there's not that real human to human connection. And that's definitely something that we both work on and in to create that impact, right? And we look at, you know, ancestral, like ancestral communities. Like we were talking about this the other day, they all work together to raise a child. You know, they all work together to impact the well being of the community. And now we've become so, nope, this is my family and this is, nope, we don't want to let anybody else know what's happening behind. We don't want to know that we're struggling or we don't want to ask for help, right? And that creates that sense of loneliness. And when we feel alone, we don't feel connected and we don't feel connected. It's when, you know, it's hard to climb out of that. And so if you can create a community of someone that sits across the table from you or sits in a community dinner or a space and just says like, oh, I understand what you're going through. I truly feel it and I want to help you. You don't feel as alone and you feel like you're a part of and you have that purpose of that you can't get through anywhere else on a phone or on a, on a social media.
[00:15:51] Speaker C: 100% community, I think, is everything right, whether in business or in personal struggles or transition, anything in life. And to your point, Brit, Dan Buettner and the whole blue zones really showed that the community was a big part of living longer. Right. In terms of longevity. But it's true in anything. It's really difficult to do anything alone. We don't build our businesses alone.
We don't, you know, raise our children alone.
Even still, with an extent, there's just that sense of community. It's an overused word. It could be saturated to say, ah, we're building a community.
I don't want to be a part of another community. But it is really important and it's critical, I believe, to what you just described in terms of helping people achieve whatever it is they're trying to achieve at that point in their life and get through that next transition or that next phase through life so that they don't feel so alone, whether it's business or personal.
[00:16:54] Speaker B: I think when we talk about human needs like food, air and water. Right. But I think there's also that human need to feel loved, seen and heard. Right. And that's where you can get in a community. Because sometimes, I mean, there's a lot of conversation around that. Families, you know, we feel this connection to family or we have to make it work in the family. And not always. Some people don't have that luxury or that benefit. But if you can find other people or communities that will, where you do feel love, seeking, seen and heard, then I think that becomes a really important human need as well.
[00:17:19] Speaker D: Yeah, I would love to know, Hilary, what inspired you to create the right room?
[00:17:31] Speaker B: That's a great question. And I'll try to give a shortish answer. Nope, don't. Don't.
We have all the time.
And so what I've realized was, and I think I shared this on, when we were on the, on the panel together, you know, in, in 2022, I'd gone through, I left a marriage, became a single mom. I moved, I started a business because I hadn't been working and staying home with my child. And so I didn't know what to do. Right. So I launched a business and then my dad died. Right. And so in 2022, four of the top five challenges that people go through in their life happened in the span of 10 months.
And it felt. And I had community, and I had great support, and I had friends, and I had loved ones, and I had. And it still felt incredibly isolating and lonely because unless, you know, we learn this in recovery, it's. It's. We're both in recovery, and we can understand kind of the language, but sometimes it's hard for someone not in recovery to understand what it's like. Like, why. Why can't you just stop drinking? Really? It's not that. It's. It's not that easy. It's not like that, right? But when you sit across the table from another person that's struggling with addiction, that can see you, they get it and they realize, you know, I'd gone through this divorce, I'd lost a parent, and I'd had all these transitions in life that made me an empathetic ear to another woman that was going through it. Right. It's easy. I mean, I have great friends, and they were so supportive. But if they hadn't gone through a divorce or lost a parent, it's hard to really understand the grief and the struggle. And so I had worked with a woman when I was navigating out of my. When I left my marriage, and I needed. I really wanted another person just, again, to feel seen, to feel heard, and to feel loved and also to be accountable to somebody. And so she really helped me with that. And I wanted to be that for someone else. I never, like I said earlier, I always knew I wanted to be a mom. And I've done a lot of things in my life. I did pr, I did photography. I worked in market research. Like, I kind of just floated what was interesting to me. But I've always wanted to help people. That was always just in my DNA. I mean, we talk about the horoscope or, like, I'm a Pisces. I'm this really earthy, watery, warm person. And that's just what always filled my cup. And so with the right room, I wanted to be that space for other women, not only from, like, knowing what they'd been through, from empathetic, but I've also cultivated all these tools over the years that helped me. And so I got certified in yoga and Pilates, reflexology, Reiki, mindfulness meditation, breathwork, went through a holistic coaching practice because they were so. Nervous system regulation, Hakomi, like, because they were interesting to me and helped me. And I wanted to be able to put that into a Space to help other women by sharing those tools, by reaching out to them, by let you know they didn't feel alone. And then that community of connecting with other women who were also having a tough time. And sometimes it doesn't even have to look like a tough time. It can just feel like you're a mom. You know, you're a mom and you have a business, and sometimes I've found myself. And then with other women, we, like, serve other people first. We show up for our business, we show up for our partners. We make sure the kids have permission slip signed. We make sure they're cleaned and in bed and bathe. We take all that on ourselves because it's fills this what we think is a purpose. And at some point along the way, for me and for the women I work with, they're like, I. There's nothing really, quote, wrong. I just feel like somewhere I've lost myself and I don't know how to get back. You know, I had these grand ideas when I was 20, and here I am at 45. Like, you know, kind of what Greg was saying, like, oh, wait, is this it? But I have everything. I have the beautiful home and I. And I have a child. I've always wanted to be a mom and I have this great relationship and partner, but I still feel this void, and that's okay, too. And so working with women to find their way, kind of stay back to themselves. Right. Find their voice. What is your. What do you love? Right. And somewhere, again, I keep saying, somewhere along the way, we've lost that joy and that childlike wonder and love that we had and kind of coming back to that playfulness and.
Yeah. And that just sense of self was something that was really important to me and I wanted to share that with others through the right room.
[00:21:56] Speaker D: Yeah, that definitely resonates with me.
[00:21:59] Speaker C: Yeah, sure.
[00:22:00] Speaker A: I think you said something earlier as part of the bio and you just touched on it again. That's why I wanna bring it up. You were talking about the addiction piece and finally coming to grips with that. And you mentioned the stigma or the difference between females and males. Why do you think that is? Or what is it about that has society judging males different than females in the same situation?
[00:22:23] Speaker C: That's a great question.
Go.
[00:22:27] Speaker B: Let's go now. This is a big thing. I think, again, this goes back to women. I think women are told to be a certain way. Like, if you don't have children, you're selfish. If you have children and you work, you're selfish. You want to eat Ice cream, then. Oh, my gosh. How dare you?
[00:22:40] Speaker C: Right?
[00:22:41] Speaker B: It's that Barbie monologue. If you saw the Barbie movie, like, women are told to stay in this box. Don't go outside of it. Don't think too much. Don't use your. Don't talk. If you talk about money, you're gauche. If you talk. If you work out too much, then you're, you know, you're too thin. If you're not thin enough, then, oh, my gosh, what's wrong with her? She doesn't care about herself. I think there's so many hoops that women have to go through in society and culture to be seen as acceptable. And I think women carry the brunt of a lot of shame and stigma and cultural disease and expectations. Yes. And for women in recovery and women in sobriety, there's this. I mean, you look at men and you're like, oh, well, how many. Oh, you had, you know, 10 beers last night. And you. Not you. Because you had men in general. Oh, you talk to that hot woman at the bar. Good for you. Right? But a woman does it. Oh, you got sloppy and you went home with that. Got. What's your sloppy?
[00:23:34] Speaker C: Trashy.
[00:23:34] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:23:35] Speaker A: The exact opposite.
[00:23:36] Speaker B: Yes. And we even. Yes. It's a double standard for women, and women have been had to carry that for so long, and I think women are seen as, you know, oh, you're. You're weak. If you admit you need help, you're. It's shameful. If you say you had an addiction, which is a brain disease. It's not. I didn't choose to become an alcoholic when I was born. I mean, nobody would. I don't think, would choose to struggle like that. Right. And so I think there's just a double standard when it comes to women. And so when I started speaking out about my addiction, I had 15 years sober. 15 years of one day at a time choosing not to drink or drug to change the way I felt. And it took a lot of time. It took a lot of work. I put in the days, I put in the hours, and it was hard. And also at 15 years was when I wanted to drink for the first time. When my dad passed at the end of that year in 2022, I was like, forget it, forget it. Like, I don't know. I don't know how to get through this.
And I step back and I'm like, you know what?
15 years is a really long time. And what if there's a woman out there that has one year that's struggling. And she says, you know what? Forget this. I want to drink. What if I can be a voice for women to say it's okay to struggle and it's okay to ask for help and it's okay to wake up one morning and say, I don't want to do this anymore. And that's okay because just keep going. It's not going to. It's not.
Drinking isn't going to change the way I feel. It's not going to bring my dad back. It's not going to make things look better. But if I can hold on for this day and not drink and tell another woman that it's okay to feel exactly how she feels and not go down that shame spiral of not being enough and not.
And not feeling like you deserve, you know, to be sober, deserve to have that happiness and.
Yeah, yeah, I kind of lost my train of thought. I'm sorry. I got super wrapped up.
But I feel like there was a double standard, and I didn't feel like it was fair. I mean, even the stats are out there. Two and a half men to every one woman seeks treatment because women can't often go away for treatment because they feel like they've got to. I can't leave my children or I have the responsibility, or my husband's not gonna be able to make dinner for 30 days if I'm gone. And so women struggle more in that way, and I don't. There are enough resources for women to meet them where they are, and they.
[00:25:54] Speaker C: Do it in silence and in isolation. Right. When they start to struggle because they don't want anybody to know. And then that perpetuates the shame cycle.
[00:26:03] Speaker B: We're told, like the mommy wine culture, like, you deserve this. You go home, right? And there are four women that can have two glasses of wine. And that fourth woman may go home and drink two more bottles because she can't stop. Right. But in her friend group, it seems okay. And she doesn't want to say that this isn't healthy for me. And so did you say you were.
[00:26:23] Speaker A: Also 15 years sober before you shared?
[00:26:25] Speaker B: Yes, I waited because I still felt the shame and the stigma around women in recovery. You know, in 2007, there was nobody talking, nobody really talking about recovery, especially women. It was Carrie Fisher who wrote I'm Blanking on the name of her book and Carolyn Knapp drinking A Love Story. And I read those books, and I was like, yes, I feel so seen right now.
And Meg Ryan and A Man Loves a Woman. And that wasn't me. I didn't have kids. I wasn't stinking vodka. I was, you know, I say just. I was just drinking wine, but I was blacking out every time I drank. I didn't know anybody who got sober. I didn't know anybody. I mean, close to, you know, no one in my family went struggling with addiction. Nobody in my family went to 12 steps. Nobody in my family went to treatment. And so I didn't even know where to go. You know, I just woke up one morning, and I was sick and tired of being sick and tired. And I didn't know. I didn't want to feel that way anymore. And so for me, at 15 years, I had this moment of meditation had become a really big part of my life during the pandemic when I couldn't go to my community. I couldn't see my, you know, the people in 12 steps. I couldn't be surrounded by the support I needed. And so I dove deep into meditation because I knew I didn't want to drink, but I needed to find other tools to help me feel okay and grounded. And so meditation was huge. And one moment in meditation, I'm like, what if you could help one woman? If you share your story at 15 years, there's a lot of days behind that. And so it wasn't. I say, just. It wasn't just a week or a year that I had of sober time. It was 15 years. And so if I could share my story of hope and recovery. And one woman heard it and said, oh, my gosh, I drink wine, too. If she can do it, maybe I can do it. Because one woman getting sober is the ripple effect of her family, community, job, everything. The ripple effect of her healing and recovering is so powerful.
[00:28:11] Speaker D: You know, 15 years to a lot of people that are going to listen and are struggling with something, whether it's alcohol or something else, seems probably impossible right now. So I would let. And you talked about. You touched on 12 step and meditation, but how did you actually, like, how did you get 15 years sober? What did you actually do to get there? Because you, you know, you kept it in silence, but you did seem like you were creating a community in 12 step and those other things. So I think that the actual steps would be interesting to hear.
[00:28:41] Speaker A: And how big was your community at that moment? Was it a few women or a lot of women? How did you even find a community?
[00:28:47] Speaker B: When I first got sober.
When I first got sober, I went to treatment. I went to outpatient rehab. And so that was really helpful because I needed the accountability and it goes back to that coaching. Right. Which is why I coached, because I needed someone to say, okay, what did you do today? What did you do to support your recovery? What are the tools that you've used today? And for me?
[00:29:07] Speaker C: Well, you gotta remember too, when you go into treatment, you're still lying to everyone yourself.
[00:29:12] Speaker B: Right.
[00:29:13] Speaker C: Like in the people checking you into treatment. Right. You're like, you're not showing up as the best version of you when you get there. Yeah, yeah. And so everything is still this, this, this image I need you to see. This is how you know. Yeah, I don't. Don't look behind the curtain. You can't see what's going on here. Right.
[00:29:30] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:29:30] Speaker C: So I'm just thinking about the story you tell where you like, which one?
[00:29:34] Speaker B: The perfect or the crying?
[00:29:35] Speaker C: No, they were checking you, like, when's the last time you did this?
[00:29:38] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. So I checked in and they did a treatment. They're like, oh, you know, once. I'm like, oh, it's been a couple days. And I had actually done cocaine my last night out. And I called them and they were like, can you stay sober this weekend? I was like, uh huh, no, there's not a chance. Right. And so I, Joe, I went to the bar and I was like, I'm going to treatment on Monday, everybody. I'm gonna check into rehab. I was telling all these people and when I did the check in that day, they were like, have you done this? This is. And I'm like, no, no, no. And they're, when's the last time you did coke? And I'm like, oh, I don't know, it's been forever. And they're like, we'd like a urine sample.
[00:30:13] Speaker A: What time to start telling the truth?
[00:30:17] Speaker B: And I was like, oh my gosh, they're gonna kick me out.
[00:30:18] Speaker A: You wanna tell us now? You wanna tell us tomorrow, right?
[00:30:20] Speaker B: Exactly. And so I was so scared, but it was like that. Look, I wanted to be perfect. I still wanted, you know, I still have. I know I'm in treatment, but I have everything together. I'm good.
[00:30:29] Speaker D: I'm not the same as everybody in here.
[00:30:31] Speaker B: Exactly, exactly.
[00:30:32] Speaker C: I'm not like, yeah. So, Brit, to the heart of your question, if you know, what do you go through in the beginning is you got to get honest, right. Because you're still just. You're used to lying or manipulating or telling shades. You're gray of the truth. Right. So the first thing you have.
[00:30:49] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:30:49] Speaker C: Heavy omission. Exactly.
But you wind up becoming, you know, really Good at it. Right. Just trying to hide. I mean, you're not. You think you are. So the very first thing you need to do, and it starts with day one, is get super honest. Right? Yeah.
[00:31:05] Speaker D: And imagine they're trained to. To get you to that place that the people at the facility, like, try, have to strip that away.
[00:31:13] Speaker A: And, Greg, have you been through comparable or similar type?
[00:31:15] Speaker C: Absolutely.
[00:31:16] Speaker A: Yeah. I thought so.
[00:31:17] Speaker C: Just reading your Bible. I'm in recovery as well.
[00:31:18] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:31:20] Speaker C: I did not get into. In my bio, into the. I didn't take you to the dark place. Y'all tell me. We can go there if you want.
[00:31:25] Speaker A: But we go anywhere you walk. This is. This is for us to. We love learning.
[00:31:31] Speaker C: I don't want to steal the mic.
[00:31:35] Speaker B: Yeah. I think that the best thing to do is just. It's like the whole moniker of one thing at one day at a time. Like, one day at a time. Because when I. Someone told me the only person I did know in recovery was a woman that lived in la and we drank and smoked pot together in high school. And she put on her Facebook page, I don't drink and I don't smoke. And I kind of called her out, and I was like, you're lying. Like I did with you. And she's like, no, I got sober five years ago. I'm like, why? And she's like, hey, if you think you have a problem, see if you can go the weekend.
I said, 30 days first. I'm like, you got 30 days. She's like, okay, go the weekend. See if you can go the whole weekend without taking a drink. I'm like, what do you do? Like, I didn't understand. I literally didn't. Had no idea of what you do without drinking or sleeping or being hungover.
[00:32:18] Speaker D: Yes.
[00:32:19] Speaker B: And so I did. No, this is stupid. Like, I. You know, but for me, yeah. I had to admit that, you know, they say, like, you're powerless over. My life was totally unmanageable if I looked at it. And I'd say things like, well, if you. If you had my life, you would drink too. Like, and let's be real. My life was pretty great. Like, it wasn't. I had a supportive family. I had a job. I lived in an apartment in dc. I had. Like, my life was. I mean, it's good, right? So the first thing I had to do was really get really honest and vulnerable, like you said, and then, you know, kind of confess these things. Cause that's where the shame lives, right? If we keep those things inside of us and I'm like, oh, my gosh, I feel so bad. I used to drink in private, like, nobody knew. And in recovery and in rehab, they were like, doesn't everybody hear that? Right? And I was like, oh, okay, that's amazing. And then I had to slowly, you know, over the years, picked up these different tools. Like, I talked about the meditation, the communities, the community. The first year of recovery, I had one woman, Claire, that I did everything with. We did everything together. We went on vacations, we went to Thanksgiving together. We did everything. And so she was almost like an accountability partner. And I think for each of us. And that was exactly what I needed because I left to my own devices. I was gonna drink again because my best thinking got me there. To drinking and making questionable decisions. And so it was truly that, you know, one day at a time. And they say, like, it takes you 5 years to find your marbles, 10 years to gather them, and 15 years to know what to do with them. And for me, I found that was really true and trusting, that process of it's getting better, and it's going to continue to get better. Because now I look back and it's almost 18 years later, and I'm like, I can't believe it. Because I can still close my eyes and feel the feelings that I had of fear and anxiety. And, I mean, I was scared to walk in any room, but I was also lonely in every room I walked into. And that's something I think. I don't know if other people experience it, but I know addicts do. You can be in a room full of people looking happy and still feel completely alone and like a fraud. And it's different than just imposter syndrome. It's.
[00:34:40] Speaker C: I think it's important, too, is that realizing that asking for help or admitting that you need help is the strong choice.
People think, oh, I'm going to appear weak. Or it's, you know, just to say, oh, this is a problem and I need help. The problem is staying in the. You know, in the bad place. Right? That's not a strong choice. It's an easy choice.
Life isn't easy. But you know what? The hard choices and the strong choices to say, you know what?
I need help.
[00:35:11] Speaker B: And to piggyback on that, too. Like, everyone asked, because I, as women and myself struggle with this idea of perfectionism. Like, if I don't do it right, it's not worth doing. If I don't do it perfectly, it's not. And someone asked, like, well, do you like perfect people? And I'm like, no, I like them messy, like people that ask for help. Like. And we also learn as a society. Like, you ask me for help, I feel really good because I get to give you the help in return. And you feel good because you receive help. And so there's this beautiful relationship that happens when we ask for help also.
[00:35:44] Speaker A: So how has your learnings now shaped you as parents?
[00:35:57] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. No, the hesitation is. There's a lot to unpack in that question because we come from two different perspectives. I'll try to share. So I mentioned earlier, I have four children.
So through recovery, through just life, you start to learn more about yourself.
And looking back, if I had had the level of awareness about myself then that I have now, I feel like I would have been a better parent. Does that make sense? Sure. But we don't get do overs and we do the best we can, and our parents did the best they could. And, you know, with the knowledge that you have and the tools that you have at the time, you do the best that you can.
Parenting today is a lot more intentional. It feels like, right? Like when, when I was raising kids when they were little, there was a few books out the Spock, I think, you know, and there was question, if they cry in the crib, do you let them cry? Do you go pick them up? Which parent are you? That was about it, right?
And you know, the basic food pyramid today it is like. And you know, seriously, if they cried in a restaurant, you're like, stop it. Stop. Don't do that. Right? And so you're telling them how to feel. And then what we didn't realize then was we're also telling them that what they're feeling is not okay, stop that. Right? And what we see now is an intentional, more intentional parenting is their children trying to ask for what they need. And it could come out as crying, it could come out as, as a tantrum. It could come out, we don't know, right? They just learning to try to ask for what they need. And that to me is the really interesting part of, of observing how Hillary parents and thinking back on how it was when I was raising four children as well, and the growth and the, and the knowledge. And again, we all. It's not right or wrong or good or bad. It just is. You say, well, when I was a kid, we did it this way. That doesn't make it right. It also doesn't make it wrong. It just makes it the way it was at that particular time. And I think so that's my perspective And I will say this being, I heard this the other day.
Being a parent is only hard when you're a good parent.
That kind of stuck, right? If you think about that, it lands pretty hard when you're being a good parent. It's work and it's hard. And there are days that you gotta pray for the patience of job when you're last nerve. You guys run businesses and you're responsible for a lot of people. And then at the end of the day you, you know, you've got a family, you've got to be a mom, you got to be a dad.
We're humans at the end of the day. And so being a parent takes a lot of work and a lot of intention is what I'm seeing these days. That's my take.
[00:38:54] Speaker B: Yeah. And my take is I try to make it very child centered. And what I mean by that is to try just to this conversation yesterday of being invited into the child's world. My son is 7 and I allow him to express emotions in whatever ways he needs to. And I try to teach him to do it in a healthy way. And so I allow respectful talk back. And what I mean by that is he's like, I don't like the way you talk to me. I'm like, okay, can you tell me more about that? What didn't you like? Was it what I said or was it the tone? And some people may say give him a little bit too much, too much autonomy. But I feel like it allows him to speak his voice at any age. Because if I don't allow him to speak his Voice now at 7, when is he gonna be able to, you know, he's gonna feel like he's gonna, he shut down. And so what that looks like for me is it's really hard because I have to hold a lot of space for a very emotional seven year old sometimes. But I am very, yeah, I'm very conscious with him. And I do ask him and he's like, I'm angry and I wanna scream. I'm like, let's scream. And he's like, I can't scream right now. And I was like, I'll scream. And so I scream. And he kind of looks at me and I was like, get it out. We've talked about the emotion is just energy in motion. You feel it in the body. And so I. And he even said he's like, I am so tired of talking about my feelings with you because I will, he said, because I asked him and I'm like, well, how does that make you feel? Or how do you feel about that? And he goes, I don't want to talk about my feelings anymore. To the point where one day I said, how do you feel about pizza tonight? He goes, I don't want it. Oh, okay. Pizza, yeah. He's like, I don't want to talk about my feelings.
[00:40:31] Speaker A: We use the word think in here anywhere and stop feeling.
[00:40:33] Speaker C: Right.
[00:40:33] Speaker B: That's what I think about pizza. So I started asking, like, how do you think? What do you think about that? Or what do you think about?
And it's a beautiful process.
It's hard. It's really hard. But I also don't think that children are here to serve parents. I think parent or myself. I think I'm here to serve my child. And what I mean by that is give him the most, the safest space to authentically be who he is. And I think, when I was little, let's achieve and be good and do this where I allow him to be himself, right? And whatever that looks like.
There are things that he likes that I don't like and I don't want to do. We talked about, he loves to play tag and have me chase him and play hide and seek. And I don't want to play hide and seek. Like, I want to color or go for a bike ride.
But what I realized is he's inviting me into his world, and that's my opportunity to show up for him. Because if I don't show up for him now and build that connection with him, then at 20, 25 and 30, maybe when he's struggling, he won't have that same feeling of, well, I can talk to her about anything or she's going to see me exactly how I am if I show up happy, if I show up upset, if I show up angry.
And that's hard, though. And we really work on a lot of early on, like, how does it feel? Like, where do you feel that in your body? Where is it to create safety in him, like that nervous system regulation from an early age. And I teach him, you have anger, you can't hit. You can't hit me. You can't break something. You can stomp like a dinosaur. You can punch pillows. Like, what feels good to you in the moment. He's like, what do you mean I can punch pillows? I'm like, let's just do it right? And he's like, oh, okay. You know? And it's a little foreign to him. But again, I think teaching those tools to him early age, naming the feeling and Then processing it in a healthy way versus stuffing it down. I also try really hard and he's like, do you like my drawing? I'm like, do you like your drawing? To get self validation. I'm trying to teach him from an early age to find validation and self worth from inside. Not always rely on me to give it to him. But it's also a fine line. Cause I don't want him to feel like I don't, you know, am proud of him or appreciate him. And so I think like you said, being a good parent is really, it's really hard. But every day I'm grateful that I'm not. That I'm a sober parent, that I'm not drinking because that would be a different experience for him. And, and great.
[00:42:54] Speaker A: How old are your kids?
[00:42:55] Speaker C: So 35. Guys should get this one right.
[00:43:01] Speaker A: They're watching.
[00:43:06] Speaker C: 6, 21 and almost 20.
[00:43:09] Speaker A: Okay, very cool. So I did. So I have three daughters from a prior marriage. 22, 23, 21, 17.
Sorry girls. I had to click that extra year on. And then we share. 11 month old.
[00:43:22] Speaker B: You have four girls.
[00:43:23] Speaker D: Yes, yes, that's what I was thinking.
[00:43:25] Speaker C: That's why I'm the crier.
[00:43:26] Speaker A: That's why I'm the crier of us.
[00:43:27] Speaker C: Right.
[00:43:27] Speaker B: I love that.
[00:43:28] Speaker D: Well, that's what we were talking about, the different parenting and like you can relate to that so much.
[00:43:32] Speaker A: That's why I asked the question, just to get to frame it as far as, you know, you having gone, you know, taking a lap for sure. Right. Coming back and watching parenting and the way it looks today, which I'm on that same exact second lap.
[00:43:43] Speaker B: It's different.
[00:43:44] Speaker D: We should have taken notes.
[00:43:45] Speaker A: And then watching. And then you know, my father, who would be 100, he would be 104 if he was old, if he was alive. How I was parented, I was parented as if I was 75. Right. Just the 50 years of age gap. So the dynamics are interesting. So that's why I wanted to understand a little deeper about the ages and because your journey is very similar to ours.
[00:44:06] Speaker B: Yeah. And I heard someone say once when you're in a restaurant with a child and you're like, stop, sit down, behave. It's not for the child's well being, it's for the parents. Because the parents don't want to be embarrassed. The parents don't want other people to look at them. And I've allowed Alexander. We've gone to groceries, we've gone to whole food. And he rides his scooter next to my cart and people will give me these dirty looks. I'm like, he's five. He's not being bad. He's not throwing things off the shelf. He's not screaming. He's just scooting next to me. If you have a problem, that's on you. And always to advocate for my child, who has a lot of energy, who's very curious, and to try to give him those experiences whenever possible.
Irregardless, I still say yeah, regardless of what other people, other adults think, because that's their stuff. Yeah. Not mine or my clients.
[00:44:51] Speaker D: I agree with that.
[00:44:52] Speaker A: So much for people tuning in. They're definitely getting the love part of love and business today.
[00:44:58] Speaker D: And a big part of our audience, you know, it is business owners, small business. So, Greg and big business, I would love to get into your story as a entrepreneur and business owner. You talked about stem cell and where you are now.
And I asked you like, how you were inspired to start what you are now. But like, I would love to know your business story.
[00:45:20] Speaker A: Yeah, and the science too, because in doing the research, I saw stem cell and I was like, okay, doctor, scientist, you know, I was looking for the scientists. How did. I'd like to know, just to delve in how that came about and getting into the science part, even though it doesn't look like you're not a doctor by trade, but. But heavy into the science.
[00:45:37] Speaker C: Yeah. So I had a business partner, another Greg, and we had a medical distributorship and we had some reps and let's call it 35 states.
Strike that. 35 reps in 16 or 17 states. Add that backwards.
And we were doing okay. We were selling things to doctors and going in. And so the idea was when we try to grow the business, do we add more people or can we add more products to our portfolio and try to increase revenue that way? And I didn't want more people. I was the one having to deal with everybody on a day to day basis. So I thought, well, let me try to find some more products in the portfolio.
So I went to a regenerative medicine conference that I got invited to and they might as well have been speaking Russian. I didn't understand much of what was being said. But as an entrepreneur I went and I started digging into it and I was looking at the CAGR and you were looking at 18 to 22% CAGR over the next five years, depending on, on which report you believed. Didn't matter because double digit keg or give me a small piece of that, you know, growth And I liked it. So I dug in, and I told the guy that was speaking at the conference, I said, hey, you don't know me. My name is Greg.
Full transparency. 90% of what you were saying today I didn't get. I didn't understand. But I understood enough to know that there's something here, and I would like to. To try to learn more. And he gave me his card, and he said, this is a great lesson for any entrepreneur out there. He gave me his card and he said, you know, call me. You know, I'll be happy to help you. And I said, do you mean that? Because I am that guy. You asked me. You tell me, you know, I. You. I can call you.
[00:47:21] Speaker A: Don't.
[00:47:21] Speaker C: Don't duck.
[00:47:22] Speaker A: For the next three months, I will call you.
[00:47:24] Speaker C: He goes, no, I do. I love teaching people. I love helping guys learn this stuff. And I said, great. And, guys, I wore that guy out. Out. His name's Doug Spiel. I wore him out for, like, the next six or seven months. And he would be bouncing a kid on his knee on a zoom call. And. And I'd say, okay, now help me understand this part. And he could tell between our calls, I was studying. I was trying to learn. So you mentioned the science part. So I finally got comfortable, got products, put them in the portfolio, and thought, here we go. We're going to go out and launch this. And it was a failure, catastrophic failure. We didn't understand at the time. I thought, well, doctors understood this. They went to medical school. Surely they get this.
They didn't understand this particular piece of trying to help their patients and put it in their toolbox. So we said, okay, well, we'll teach it to them. So I had to get good at it in order to be able to go in and explain it to them. Said, okay. And then I miscalculated that.
They didn't go to business school. They went to med school. So. And they get out and they open a business. That's right.
[00:48:27] Speaker A: They're craftsmen. Right? They're craftsmen.
[00:48:29] Speaker C: They don't understand customer service and marketing and other things like this. And then, you know, growth and stuff. They just. They're doing what they do best.
So that didn't work great. So then we said, okay, well, we'll market for you, and we'll drive patients to you.
And we did. And I was spending a lot of. Got some expensive lessons, as we do as business owners.
We drove a lot of patients to them, and they weren't closing, you know, one or two here and there.
So I finally through, I was at a dinner one evening with a doctor, and I could tell that this was not going to go well. It wasn't going anywhere. I was super frustrated. I said, excuse me. I went to the restroom, I called my business partner and I said, why are we killing ourselves trying to make these guys a bunch of money? He goes, what are you thinking? I said, we've seen the enemy. Let's go compete.
90 days after that, we opened our first clinic in Oklahoma City with a friend of ours and a doctor who really understood it. Got it. And he said, look, I'll do the doctoring part, y'all do the business part. And he's a wonderful human. And we knew we had a great partner there. And we started helping people get out of pain is where we really started.
So then we grew that and opened another one in Texas and Houston. And it was really using biologics, combination of, you know, we say stem cells, but there's other tools in the toolbox to basically help people get out of pain.
[00:49:50] Speaker A: What year was this?
[00:49:51] Speaker C: That started in 2018, 2017.
[00:49:56] Speaker A: Okay. And I'm comparing that to the opioid track.
[00:50:00] Speaker C: Right.
[00:50:00] Speaker A: As the other way to deal with pain.
[00:50:01] Speaker C: A lot of going on, man. Yeah, it was a lot happening. And so then fast forward to the pandemic. The pandemic kind of shut us all down. It was elective.
And so we had some time.
[00:50:13] Speaker A: Very much in person.
[00:50:14] Speaker C: Right? Yeah.
[00:50:15] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:50:16] Speaker C: So, yeah, you got it.
[00:50:16] Speaker A: Two hard things to do in the pandemic.
[00:50:18] Speaker C: Yeah, you can't give people injections.
[00:50:21] Speaker A: You can fire the pills out wherever you want.
[00:50:23] Speaker C: Right.
[00:50:23] Speaker A: Pills are so easy.
[00:50:24] Speaker C: Yeah. And that. You get me started there, Mick. We'll go down. This whole, you know, western medicine model is really wants us to feel better, not get better. Right. And you feel better as long as you're taking the pill. Right. And what we were doing was really root cause based stuff.
So pandemic hits. And during the pandemic, I had a conversation with a couple of doctors who had this crazy idea that we could use cellular medicine for longevity along with some other modalities like functional medicine and lifestyle and stuff. And I said, okay, I'm intrigued.
And that led to the whole Costa Rica operation, where in two and a half years, we became the place in the world.
When I say that, I mean, you know, astronauts and celebrities and sports stars and, you know, movie stars that everybody knows really well. And I'm trying to think of people who are public, so there's no hipaa. Danica Patrick was very Public about it. Daymond John was very public about it. There's a lot of people. Yeah. So we had a lot of people that came to the clinic and we became the it place, the go to place in a very short amount of time. It was because the science that gives us this perfect storm of the science and some breakthroughs that happened over the last 12 to 15 years, things started lining up as well as. And I think a lot of people don't realize this health crisis that's coming, as we're calling it, the Silver Tsunami, is what's happening. But by 2030, one in six people in the United States will be over the age of 60. And that's never happened before. That percentage of the population at that age group being such a large percentage. And then by 2050, 2.1 billion people on the planet will be over the age of 60, which has also never happened before.
And the reason that's a problem is as we age, our healthcare needs become more complex, more expensive, and more burdensome. Right. So we're putting strains on the financial resources, we're putting strain on the medical resources and then the family units that have to care for the elderly. And when you put a large percentage of the population into that sick care category, which is how we do healthcare in the US and most Western medicine is you get sick. The last 11 years of our lives are typically not very fun. Right. And that's why. That's what drew me to want to be in healthcare.
The part of the story that I left out, my adoptive father's after my. And I alluded to the dark place, and we won't go too dark there, but my biological father left us when he was 12.
I mentioned he was an abusive alcoholic. He died by suicide after a couple of horrific events with my mom and I, and she remarried. And he was a saint, right? Not an alcoholic. Was a phenomenal human, was a competitive athlete in college, was a baseball player, was a great businessman. And dad 2.0 is like. Like this was a second chance for me. It was super powerful. And he became my best friend, my mentor.
I'm going to cry. I'm going to do it, too.
He was my person. He was the guy that showed me what being a father, being a man, being just a human, a decent human was all about.
And on October 7th of 2010, I was driving between Austin and Dallas. The phone rang.
I was my mom on the other end and she was wailing.
Incomprehensible. I couldn't understand, but I. I could make out that My dad was. Had died.
So I drove to Love Field, got on a plane, flew to Houston.
A friend of mine picked me up and we went to this rentage storage unit complex across the street from the high rise that they. Where they lived.
There was police, crime scene tape up, and I could see his vehicle's car, the Chevy Tahoe. The doors were open, police were there and ambulances were there.
And that morning he had gotten up and he put five by seven index cards in the plants around, around the condo they lived in. It said, water this one twice a week and water this one three times a week. And he took my mom's car to the grocery store or to the car wash and washed it and then the gas station. He stopped at the grocery store, he stocked the pantry.
He gave her a kiss, said goodbye as he was on his way to work. And he got in his Tahoe and drove across the street to that rented storage unit and went inside and took his own life.
His health was failing and he didn't want to be a burden on the rest of us.
It was 2010, and I didn't consciously say, hey, I'm gonna go help change this and write this injustice in the world, right, so that other people don't think this is the only option. He just, whatever reason, that was the option. That was the choice that he made at that time.
But I, I did, I started migrating towards helping people. At first we get out of pain, and then you say, oh, wow, this, look at this, we can possibly help people. And had I known in 2010 what I know now and what I've known for the last several, five years or so, I probably could have made a difference in his life.
So that purpose driven, that, meaning that impact that you start to create, and once you experience it as an entrepreneur, you can't go back.
I heard you speak on the panel, Brett. The way you talk about your business, there's deep, deep passion and connection and conviction. And you built it, you know, boots up, right?
And what came through for me in your story was taking care of the customer and the way that you, you know, you even gave a couple of stories about how you do that. When you have deep connection and passion to whatever it is you're doing, and it really revolves around helping people.
And that's your true north. That's your, you know, that's, that's where we're always pointed. It shows and, and it, that's for me, I can't go back to just doing something to be doing it right. It has to has to have some purpose and connection. And that's what came through out of that tragedy right where lightning had struck twice for me.
You're like, okay, well, I can sit in that, and that's part of this growth and transformation we talk about. Or I can learn. I can draw on that resilience and that grit and that stuff that I know is deep down inside me. I can take these lessons, I can break cycles. I can be a model for my children, for my sons. I can go out into the world and try to help people so that they don't feel that that's a choice and that's an option for them. They have other choices. And that's what I chose to do. And I think that, that my entrepreneurial path has just migrated, gone in that direction. And I can't tell you, I woke up one day and said, ah, this is exactly what I'm going to do. But I just listened to that voice and what felt right and where it pulled me and where it called me and here I am.
[00:57:36] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:57:38] Speaker D: So in your business, do you work with mostly males?
[00:57:46] Speaker C: It's funny you say that.
The answer would probably be yes.
[00:57:51] Speaker A: It's a much better audience, right. As far, I mean, the way males treat themselves and our life expectancy today.
[00:57:56] Speaker C: Right.
[00:57:56] Speaker A: If that's what a great, what a great audience for what you're trying to do. Males for sure.
[00:58:02] Speaker C: But, you know, we're getting into this whole idea of masculine and feminine. Right. When we're in the masculine, we're doing, we're in go, go, go mode.
We're in the feminine, we're receiving, we're creating, we're just being right. We're surrendered and we're really conscious about the balance between male and female and what we're doing. And not just in business, but in life. Right. And to be a conscious leader, I'm learning.
This is fairly new to me. Full transparency.
I've read the books and I've attended some, but being a conscious leader takes incredible work. So being a conscious parent or being a conscious human, it's not a weekend course, a certificate, check the box. It's a daily commitment to practice and lifestyle until the day we die.
So to the heart of your question is yes, but we recently had some more females, you know, business, successful business owners and stuff, really interested in this too, because feeling disconnected or isolated or alone or unseen or unheard isn't, you know, it's not just men, Right. Women feel the same way too. So how do we open that up? But yeah, it's definitely something that, as the CEO, I am really conscious about making sure that balance is there. And it takes work. It's not. It's not easy. Yeah.
[00:59:33] Speaker A: And I think. And something that came up when we were. We were fortunate enough to travel to Italy recently. We told you we went to Pompeii. And one of the main things that we listened to, we asked a question about life expectancy in Rome, and the life expectancy of females was 10 years less than the life expectancy of males in that period of time. 49 for males, 39 for females. And we just said, well, how about that? That's completely flipped by today's standards. But what you said to me is interesting in that, yes, if you focus exclusively on the physical health aspect, then, yes, you would look to the male audience, but if you're focusing more on the holistic side and community and being females, need every bit as much help or maybe more.
[01:00:14] Speaker C: It was interesting in the clinic, the demographic was 50, 50 male, female. It started 60, 40 male. But then, you know, what happened were wives and women were like, okay, hold on, you know, get out of the way. Let's. Let's figure this thing out. And so it was 50, 50 that we saw. Average age was around 59.
And it was really interesting because there was a lot of people. So you had people. So some were broken. And they were looking at this as sort of a Hail Mary, like as a miracle, which, let's be honest, there are no miracles in health care. I mean, strike that. When it comes to living healthier longer, it's a series of puzzle pieces. There's no magic bullets. That's what I'm really trying to say. You have to sleep and eat and exercise and do all the right things. Mindfulness, stress, and yes, cellular medicine can also help.
But what we saw were there were also people being really proactive. And I dug. This is where this transition into the why came. And I'll tell y'all a quick story. When I first the day the lights really came onto for me about what I did, a woman was sitting across from me. It's back when I had the clinic in Oklahoma City, and I looked on her intake form and I was frustrated because I couldn't understand the levers and I couldn't see a pattern why some people said yes, and other people just were like, no, and take money away, take money off the table.
So I was super frustrated. And one day I went in and I sat down with a woman and I saw her intake form and I said, how long have you been in this kind of pain? It was her knee. And she said, nine years.
And so I just said, ma'am, why today? Why are you here today? And she said, well, I'm tired of living in pain. I said, that can't be it. With all due respect, it can't be. You've been living for nine years. And then this question came out of my mouth. I don't know where it came from. I'd never asked it before.
But I looked at her and I said, what's it costing you, you to live in this much pain?
And tears started, dream streaming down her face. And I said, oh, okay. I might be. I might be on to something here.
And she said, I haven't seen my grandkids in two years. And I said, say more about that. And she couldn't be in a plane or a car for longer than an hour without being in excruciating pain. And her children and grandchildren lived in California, and this was in Oklahoma. And they couldn't travel. The kids were little. They didn't want to get them on an airplane. And so they. The grandparents needed to go to them, but she couldn't.
And the light bulb came on. I said, this is it. I don't get people out of pain or help get people out of pain. I reconnect grandmothers and grandkids. And so I looked at her and I said, I'll tell you what your goal is. My goal, you pay me half now, we'll treat you. When you see your grandkids, you pay me the other half. And so it was about four months, and she came in and she had pictures on the cell phone, and she was swiping through and showing me she'd gone out there, and she was again in tears. Now I'm crying, too, because this is really cool, right?
That's the day I realized, this is what I do. This is. I connect in that ripple effect you talked about. However we're doing it right?
And so that was the beginning of really trying to understand.
And in my own personal tragedy with my dad, what if we could help people overcome some of these things where it feels so limiting? And she had this story in her head that she didn't deserve to be out of pain. She hadn't taken care of herself. She hadn't watched her weight. She didn't exercise regularly. So I deserve to feel this way. And this is a consequence, not getting to see my grandkids. And that's a terrible story to tell yourself. And with just a little bit of Hope with just a little bit of really this might, that whole mindset shifts and we start to be able to do the things that we felt maybe were overwhelming or impossible, you know, just even minutes or the day before.
[01:04:08] Speaker D: Can you speak to. I'm interested in just some of the, some of the tools that, that you give people or you help them to realize in overcoming some of these challenges.
[01:04:21] Speaker C: Oh, God.
[01:04:22] Speaker D: And I know that's a very broad question.
[01:04:25] Speaker C: Yeah. So I would say, and I'm going to talk, speak from my own experience, the first thing is really getting okay with the idea that you are probably your biggest problem. Right. You are probably the number one reason or obstacle in getting what you want. And it's okay. It's not bad, it's not wrong.
[01:04:53] Speaker D: I need to ask you a question about this because, and this is very selfish because I've been, I struggle with it definitely as I was becoming a mom. And it's like the identity piece of it. And the best thing I've ever heard is like, let parenthood change you, just let it freely change you. But it was so scary to me. I'm like, I'm that hard driven businesswoman and I've never identified with being a mother and am I losing my edge? And I really struggled bad. And so how do you allow yourself to see yourself differently and let your identity change? I mean, I am much more well rounded and a better human as a mother, but I really resisted that change and I don't even know why I was holding on to things that didn't serve me at all. But that piece like how, how do you allow that to that shift to happen?
[01:05:44] Speaker C: I think that's probably a better question for Hillary. You probably have a much better answer. But I would say this too. That love that you felt right with a child when you see him come into the world is unlike anything you've ever felt before. Oh yeah. It's a different love, right, that, that, that you. Than we've ever had access to.
And by allowing that to come in and surrendering, truly surrendering, which is a really hard thing to do.
The root of the word surrender, sir, means above and render means give back to. So if you're religious, you could see that, you know, give back to above. Right. Truly surrendered. But to truly do that in love, manifest in the way that you approach your customers and your colleagues and the people that work for you and the people under your care who are depending on you to make really good decisions so that, you know, the business continues to thrive and everybody has jobs and can feed their families and everything else too. I believe once you understand the table stakes in the mission. So I'll tie it together in two ways that I think and then I'm going to turn this over to you because you're going to give a much better answer. But our different answer.
[01:06:58] Speaker D: Yeah, I like the perspective. I love the respect.
[01:07:01] Speaker C: Is this. In recovery, the mission was never to just become sober. The goal was never to just be sober. The goal was to be happy, joyous and free. Sobriety is one of the ways that we get there. Right. There are also others, but the first things first. We have to get sober and get honest before we even have a chance at becoming happy, joyous and free.
I look at life that same way. My, my, my mission in life is to be happy, joyous and free and help other people do the same.
If it means I need to surrender this identity that I've been holding onto and I had it. Let me tell you how bad my life was and my story. Right. I was that victim for a while and I needed that identity to hold onto because it was the only way that I felt significant.
And we as people and humans, parents or otherwise, need to feel significant really badly.
So helping people realize and see that that's just a container over here that, that, you know, the mother and there's a container as Brit the businesswoman, and there's a container as Brit the wife. And all of those containers don't have to operate independently of each other. Right. And as we start to get, get more and more aware that this one can, can help and inform this one, we start to allow them to come together in a way, if that makes some degree of sense. There's a. I like to think of it as an alchemical process. Right. There's an alchemy going on. And I will say one last thing. I know I said that a second ago as a boy.
Do only see your mother as a mom, right? True. You didn't see her as a woman with needs.
And you remember we conditioned and grow up in a society where moms are superheroes. They wear capes, they can do five things at once.
They're rarely acknowledged for it. Right. And I believe that being a mother is probably, you know, that's the superhero job in the world. First of all, you're the only one who can do it. You're the only one who can grow a life inside you and thank you for that, by the way, and bring it into the world and then take care of the rest of us.
Right. Because as men, we're just grown up boys. I'm still 12. I'm just in a 58 year old body. Right. And need someone to look after me and take care of me. Right. And that part of that identity is also who shows up into growing this business.
So they're not so different.
[01:09:43] Speaker B: Right.
[01:09:43] Speaker C: In my eyes.
[01:09:44] Speaker B: Right.
[01:09:44] Speaker C: They're really not. You're just a freaking superhero. Some days it's for an almost one year old or every day it's for an almost one year old and also for a lot of other people who depend on you. But you're still that person. So that's the way I view it.
[01:09:58] Speaker A: Yeah, it's really sitting on.
[01:10:02] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, so the only thing, that.
[01:10:04] Speaker C: Zen moment there, recording all of this.
[01:10:07] Speaker A: Who watches? Back off. Kenny and Tommy. I mean, you guys are going to be new humans when you leave.
And your girlfriends are welcome.
[01:10:16] Speaker D: Yeah.
[01:10:20] Speaker B: Yeah. I found that bringing a child into the world also creates a new version of us as women. Because you, for me, had to let go of all the ideas of what I thought it would be like, both personally and with the child to really.
Because you can't. It's like you can't put it into words. And something that kept coming up when you guys were talking is that we get to choose our hard. Whether it's in parenthood or whether it's in sobriety, we have two paths that we can choose. We can choose to let go of the ideas of what we thought it was going to be like or who we thought we were in order to raise this beautiful human that we just created and serve them and give them the things that they need to thrive and become their best human. Or we can hang on and almost like, I'm not giving up this identity or I'm not gonna give up this drink or I'm not gonna give up that thing because this is who I am and I'm so right. And it also comes back to the mind too. Like that's our brain trying to tell us that we stay in this role or we stay in the space or this is who we are. And the stories. Right. And so when you were saying that, I was like, well, whose story is that? Or whose voice is that that's telling you? And you're like, I'll know where it's coming from. And so that's where kind of I go, it's like, well, where did that start? Was that, you know, was that a little girl that, you know, for me I'll use my. Cause I don't know or, you know, the little girl that felt like achievement meant love, that was only lovable if I was achieving. Like, is that true? I guess I'm an older, you know, like, how old am I?
As you know, at my age now, I'm like, is that true now? Right. And that's a lot of work and that's a lot of the small steps of saying, like, it's okay to be who I am right now in this moment and still get love and still be seen. And.
[01:11:57] Speaker C: No, from what I remember your story too. You were a soccer player. Yeah. And you're a competitive athlete and played at a high level.
And so probably a lot of what Hillary just said resonates, right.
[01:12:09] Speaker D: With your achievement. Absolutely.
[01:12:11] Speaker C: Right. Your identity.
[01:12:12] Speaker A: Losing that identity. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, to move on or feel.
[01:12:15] Speaker C: Like you're moving on and you're responsible.
[01:12:17] Speaker B: For all the good and the bad in your life too. Like, you're responsible, like, if you want to be better at sports and you have to train for it, nobody else is going to do it for you. And so, so in that comes that self reliance too. Right. And then it's harder to ask for help or it's harder to say, okay, this isn't serving me anymore, or this doesn't feel good anymore, and it's okay to change.
But that's what I feel with a lot of women we go through, especially after we have a child, we go through that transition of like a rebirth ourselves, of becoming somebody else in service of this child, in service of this new person that we are. And again, like, we're told, like, okay, get your body back or go back to work right away or do these, you know, and it takes a long time for our bodies, for our minds, for our hormones, for everything to go back. And I think that process, especially for athletes, it's really hard to surrender into and just like, it's okay. Like, it's okay. And it doesn't mean, like, if we say it's okay and we release it, it doesn't mean that we're giving up or being lazy or, you know, falling back into old patterns or whatever that is. It's like it's. Whatever's serving us in the moment right now is perfectly okay the way it is.
[01:13:20] Speaker C: And you know, I love, I want to add on to that with just the, the whole. We touched on it earlier. The emotion. Right. An emotion they say lasts what, 90 seconds?
Yeah. The feeling is a physical sensation. Emotion, energy and motion is a physical sensation. The stories we can tell ourselves about that emotion can Live for a lifetime.
[01:13:40] Speaker B: It keeps us trapped in that emotion versus the release.
[01:13:43] Speaker C: Yeah, it's gone. It's like a wave on the beach. It dissipates and it's over. Whether it's anger or sadness or joy or love or whatever it may be, but we create stories around those emotions. And I think that that's part of what we talked about with the conscious parenting. And then as being adults, it's just okay to acknowledge this feeling because that's what it is. Oh, I feel anxious or I feel fearful right now, and sit with it, let it pass. With no stories, with no good or bad, with no right or wrong. Just is. Just be aware and breathe. You know, notice your breath, notice the trees, notice the sky, wherever you are, and then just move on. And when we start to become more and more aware and present around that, then it just starts to become easier. Right. Life just gets.
[01:14:31] Speaker B: Oh, and I wanted to add bringing it back to the love piece.
I think that's what makes us so great as partners as well, in that vulnerability piece. Right? Because I can think.
Because we all have a past life or past relationships or past experiences, and so Greg can do something, and I'm like. And make a story around it, right? Based on fill in the blank. And that's where we're really good. I'm like, hey, you did this. And I feel like that look was really condescending. Are you mad at me? Are you? I mean, I'm just trying to think of a lame example, but. And he's like, oh, no. I was thinking about this call that I have, too. And I'm like, oh, okay. But if I wasn't comfortable going to him and knowing that he wasn't gonna take that and be like, how dare you do you know, like, he's not judgment or defensive. He's like, oh, thank you for bringing that to my attention. I didn't realize I did that this is what it's about. And vice versa, you know, he's like, oh, I tell myself this XYZ story. And then we joke, and I'm like, well, what does that say about me? If you're telling yourself that's not very. And we laugh about it, but it goes to that safe container of being able to say, hey, I just need to bring something to your attention. I just need to ask you a question. And, you know, this is really bothering me. And know that he's not gonna, you know, darvo, like, flip it around and be like, oh, well, you do this, or you're this. And it's like, then I don't want to come and talk to you. And so I think that that goes back to that vulnerability. And that's all the growth is in the fear.
[01:15:50] Speaker C: All the growth is in the fear. You know, I saw something the other day. It said, if you're making a change or you're committed to growing or whatever, know this. The next. The very next step up is going to be fear.
And that's your sign that you're on the right path. So, you know, the heart of that question, it feels like to me there was just this fear of what does it look like if I let go of this control? Right. We were talking recently, I was at a group in New York of like, the minimum net worth in this room was 100 million. I was a guest and there were 50 some odd guys and some women in there. And it was a mastermind.
And the guy leading is a good friend of mine. And I was sitting in the room and I'm not gonna. If. Let's, let's be honest. Let's go back to the honesty part. It's an intimidating room to be in. It's in New York City at Hudson Yard with a lot of really successful, you know, powerful guys in the room and girls and women, too.
And I leaned back and I was scratching my head, and my buddy Chris, who runs this mastermind, goes, yes, Greg, like, thought I had a question. I wanted to say something, and I'm like, no. And the topic was, you know, something loosely related to control. And I said, well, it's just like getting. Receiving a compliment. I said, how many guys in the room right now, if I say, oh, hey, that's a nice suit, or that's whatever makes you uncomfortable or, wow, have you lost weight? Or, you know, did you do something? And they're like half the hand shot up. I said, but how many are uncomfortable if you give the compliment or you. You know, because when we receive a compliment, we don't have control over it, and that's why it becomes more uncomfortable. And I don't know if that resonates with you.
[01:17:38] Speaker D: Oh, yeah.
[01:17:39] Speaker C: But if somebody says, wow, Britt, you look really nice today, or I love that scarf, or whatever, like, oh, we deflect, right?
[01:17:45] Speaker A: Oh, yes, exactly the word I was gonna say. She would just deflect that and then she would turn the questioning back on you 100%.
[01:17:51] Speaker D: You pointed that out yesterday.
[01:17:53] Speaker C: It's that receiving, and that's like that. You said, what are the steps? That's one of the first steps. Is just receiving it.
[01:18:02] Speaker B: Just saying thank you.
[01:18:03] Speaker C: Yeah, and just saying thank you and being aware of that discomfort that you just experienced. That feeling, letting it pass.
[01:18:11] Speaker B: And that goes back to letting help. That's some of the work I do with the women. I'm like, just let someone at the grocery store carry your bags out. Like, no, but I can do it myself. Why would I let someone help me? I'm like, it doesn't matter if you can or can't. It's receiving that help from somebody. So just let them come. Like, I didn't think that was gonna be hard. And that was the hardest thing, just to let someone hold the door for me or, you know, carry the groceries. It's only two bags. And I'm like, I'm fine. Yeah, it's that. Yeah.
[01:18:37] Speaker D: That was letting go of control. In the beginning of our relationship, Mick was like. He's like, I don't feel. I don't ever feel like you need me. You make me feel like you don't ever need me.
This was for a couple years. Like I had and I was. That was a meat problem. Like I.
[01:18:52] Speaker C: It was good for.
[01:18:53] Speaker A: I needed to feel needed, though. That was really the problem.
[01:18:55] Speaker D: Well, I wasn't able to let you help me.
[01:18:58] Speaker C: Yep, that's a lot of our identity as man, as male, you know, Want to take care, right? Yeah. That's a bi directional.
[01:19:04] Speaker A: Millions of years of demonstration.
[01:19:07] Speaker B: We just want to do it ourselves too. Like, because you're very. You're great about opening the doors and like carrying the bags. And I'm like, no, I got it. Because for so long I am just self like. I do it myself. I'm self reliant. I figure it out. I, you know, just do it. And I'm like, I. And I'm like, okay. And now I'm like, can you get me? And he's like, thank you for asking for what you need. And I was like, it feels good. Now I like it. I'm so proud of you. Can you take the trash cans out?
[01:19:30] Speaker C: Yeah. I just had this thought and I don't see if I could make it make some sense, but it's one of my life hacks is when I'm really spun up sometimes for. For whatever reason it happens in the car. I don't mean about it other drivers, but I get in that story, so. And so do you believe they said that or. God, he's so frustrated. You know, I'm just spun up and I can feel my shoulders coming up in my jaw tightening. And one of the hacks is I'll pull off the road and go to a convenience store or something and walk in and give somebody a compliment. Just be like, what's your name? Oh, wow, that's a really pretty name where you just. Because it's impossible to stay stuck in your stuff when you're being kind to someone else. But the epiphany that I just had as we're talking about the receiving part of that compliment was, while I'll feel better, I may have just walked in. I was thinking, I'm making headlines behind.
[01:20:19] Speaker A: Like, it's a win win.
[01:20:20] Speaker C: Everybody wins. Somebody feels better about themselves, but maybe they don't because they don't receive their compliment. And I just had like, there's just a hole in my whole life.
[01:20:28] Speaker A: So is everything a net zero event, right of what you took, you left behind?
[01:20:33] Speaker C: I thought it was a win win until just now as I was coming up, this whole. People might feel uncomfortable because we all do receiving compliments and they say that's a control thing.
And again, I'd like to be really clear. Not good or bad, not right or wrong. Just is. Just be aware of it when you're experiencing it.
[01:20:53] Speaker D: There's one last thing I do want to touch on. So it's love and business, but the last thing that's really important. And Hilary, you touched on it a little bit, which was triggered in my mind is the play piece. You said, as you're working with women, you want them. You want them to figure out, like, what lights them up again, like, their own identity. And we have so many obligations as parents and business owners and part, you know, partners. But there's. We all. We have to play and we have to pursue, like, one of the things everybody, if you listen to the podcast, you know, like, running is something that I'm, like, deeply in love with, but sometimes it feels.
[01:21:30] Speaker B: It's.
[01:21:30] Speaker D: It's so important to me and I get so much out of it. But it can feel like a really selfish endeavor at times when everything else is going on. So I would love to know what you guys do to pursue play, how that elevates your life and how you support and what inspire or motivate other people to also be able to pursue play and what they do because life is so short. But I think that's a piece that we struggle with or forget about. We try to support each other in that, but it's. It's hard.
[01:22:00] Speaker B: So my question to you is, like, why do you feel it's selfish?
[01:22:04] Speaker D: Because it takes away from that hour and a half would take away from something else I could be doing for someone else.
[01:22:10] Speaker B: So who do you take care of?
[01:22:13] Speaker D: Who do I take care of?
Oh boy.
[01:22:16] Speaker A: Daughter, customers, husband, parents, all your relatives.
[01:22:20] Speaker B: Right. So then where are you in that? Where are you in that list?
[01:22:24] Speaker D: Well, yeah, good question. Good question.
[01:22:27] Speaker B: So an hour and a half seems pretty reasonable when probably 20 hours.
[01:22:31] Speaker D: I say it like that. I, you know, it's you.
[01:22:33] Speaker B: That's right. But it's turning your.
[01:22:34] Speaker D: I sweat a little bit because I'm like, it's just such a simple question.
[01:22:38] Speaker B: But it's. But we don't think of it that way, right. Because we are so used to giving to other people first. And so when. So that's the women I work with, I say like, how much time can you give to yourself today? And some women are like five minutes. And that's all I can. I'm like, okay, great. So we're going. And it's is a non negotiable. If you're telling me you have five minutes in your day for you, we're going to start there. And that's where we start. And once you fill up your own cup, you can't pour from an empty cup. And that sounds so cliche, right? The whole air mask, you know, and that like. But it's so true. And so if there's nobody taking care of you and you're constantly giving to others, at some point we're going to start feeling resentful and then I'm going to start being angry at my child. I'm going to be angry at Greg because I didn't get to do what was good for me. But that's not their responsibility, it's mine. Right. And so I think when a lot of times we say self care, people think of selfish. But I think of it's self respect. Like if we're not taking care of ourselves, then we're not having that self respect in order to show up for ourselves because nobody else is gonna show up for us. And so that was a little direct and harsh and I apologize.
[01:23:38] Speaker D: I appreciate it.
[01:23:39] Speaker A: No appropriate.
[01:23:40] Speaker B: That's what. Yeah, I think she could take it. Yeah, she's like, but I mean, right. But that's always my first, first question. It's like, right. And a lot of women say the same thing, like, oh yeah, I do this, this, this, this. And I'm like, where are you on that list? And they're like last. I'm like, why? Because in it's we're told and it's so it's counterintuitive to what we're thinking. Well, I've got to make sure everyone else is okay first. And what if we flipped that script and said I need to give myself those five minutes or that hour and a half to make sure I'm okay so I can be in service of others? Right? And I think when it comes back to play, I always ask, it's like, what did you like to do when you were a child? Like, what really fills your cup? And for me, it's being out in nature. Dancing is really fun. I don't do it as much as I. Cause I'm not.
I say I'm not good, but it feels good. And so, like, dance in the car or sing, you know, and those things. But it's always that playful moment. And I love coloring with my child, or a lot of my playfulness comes out with him.
But I also have to remind myself that it's important because I can get in that mindset of, no, I have to provide and I have to make dinner and I have to do clean and I have to do. It's like at the end of the day, if the bed's not made or the dishes aren't done, it might seem distracting, but it's not detrimental. And what's really important is tuning into that joy. And that playfulness fills me up.
[01:25:01] Speaker C: It's super important. And so for me. So there are six pillars at Omia, and one of them is play, right? It's mind, spirit, vitality, play, resources and legacy.
And this whole idea of transformation in there. And the founder of Omya, this visionary, his name is Omani Carson, had worked for 40 years in wealth management, and he was like the Steve Jobs of that industry, right? He's a pioneer. He's a maverick. He was a visionary, built a really incredible company and helped a lot of people along the way. And. And he got there 40 years later and realized, because he started it in his college dorm room, his story is pretty remarkable too.
And realized that he said, is this it? And play was a huge part of it, right? Just grind and work hard. Because that definition of success is it comes at hard work, especially if you grow up in a family that didn't have a lot. And you know that the only way out is just. Just do working hard. And I used to say that all the time. My superpower is I just outwork everybody else. I'm not the smartest guy in the room, not the most talented guy in the room, but I can outwork a Lot of people.
[01:26:18] Speaker A: It wouldn't be a badge of honor.
[01:26:19] Speaker C: Right.
[01:26:19] Speaker A: You would wear that.
[01:26:21] Speaker C: Right. Like when we said, we don't need to sleep. I don't need much sleep.
[01:26:24] Speaker B: I'll sleep when I'm dead.
[01:26:25] Speaker C: Yeah, right. Used to be a badge of honor. Now we realize how terrible that is for our health.
We need our sleep.
So play is a big deal. Right. And so the way I think about play is what Hillary just said. It is not selfish. And when we take that time, success without soul is really what we've seen is this empty space.
And we fill that space with play and with love and with spirit and with vitality. And all of those things are centered around taking care of us first so that we can show up better for everybody else in that moment when it's really required. Right. Whether it's at the end of a long day.
And let's be honest, so recently, and I'll tell you the last story, we were just recently on a work trip in Lake Powell and these grown men on Jet Skis and we were zipping out across the lake and I was looking over at one of my colleagues and the smile on his face, I'll never forget. It was just pure joy. And in that moment, I mean, I was too, right? It's hard to ever see anybody sat on a Jet Ski that way. No, I don't think so.
[01:27:44] Speaker A: Especially not males.
[01:27:45] Speaker C: Right.
But here we are just zipping across here, and I'm like, and we working.
But part of our work, we recognize, is that play component, Right. And one of the other guys who's with us is on the team member, he's out of South Africa, said, this is so much fun, it feels slightly illegal. Like we, like we're doing something wrong because we're having this much fun and we're working.
When you blur the lines between play and work in life and family and everything else, then I think you're onto something. I think you're doing it well. I think you're doing it right, if there is a right.
[01:28:23] Speaker B: Yeah. And I wanted to add something super simple that some. A day that we. I say, quote, play is through. Like, is a day without plans. And that's really hard, I think, for business owners, too, is just to take a day. But, like, one of our favorite things is going to Georgetown on a Saturday. We know we want to get a massage. We know we want to get lunch and go shopping, but otherwise there's no. We don't have to be home by 5. We don't have to like it so it's not being so structured. And for us, that feels really good too because it's, it's just a flow.
[01:28:49] Speaker A: You know, and much different than a typical day.
[01:28:52] Speaker C: Right?
[01:28:52] Speaker A: Yeah, just, I think just it looking different is important. Look, I know one thing. We could talk for days.
[01:28:59] Speaker D: I mean, I learned so much. I really learned so much today, which is amazing. Like, I'm going to go back and listen to this a couple of times. Seriously, I couldn't appreciate it more. I think my ending question, if I may, is just, is there anything on your heart or mind that you think is important to share before we get off here with our audience?
I think you've done a pretty good job. So there doesn't. No is okay.
[01:29:25] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, my God, my thing is, I feel like everybody's voice is valid. Like everybody's voice has a place at the table. And if your voice isn't heard, then you're just like we talked. You're just in the wrong space, you're just in the wrong room, you're just in the wrong community. Because I don't feel like we need to be someone else to fit in or to feel like we are exactly who we are.
And I just want. Yeah. To feel loved, seen and heard is just important.
[01:29:51] Speaker C: I think for me it would be just embracing the what is.
Just be aware of what is. And if there's a story, is it true or is it just this moment that we're sharing? And for people who still feel like there's some darkness or that you've come through some darkness, realize that we have an opportunity to use our darkness to be a light to help other people come out of theirs.
And that's a big, big gift and it's a tremendous honor. I think sometimes when somebody comes you up and says, hey, I've been watching you, whether it's online or whatever and they haven't liked anything or you know, and today what you said flipped a switch in me. And so I wanted to say that and thank you and just please keep it up. That moment, that day when you feel silly sometimes when you're posting things or you're thinking about stuff and you're saying it over and over, that's the big payoff for me is somebody goes, today was the day. Right. That it made a difference. So embrace the what is and use your darkness that you've worked through and grown from to help other people, to help it be a light for other people to overcome theirs or get out of theirs.
[01:31:16] Speaker A: Amazing. Two great send offs and thank you.
[01:31:20] Speaker D: And please let the audience know where they can find you, where they can follow what you're doing.
[01:31:27] Speaker B: So I'
[email protected] with one L is my website. I think that's probably the most comprehensive. Day to Day is on Instagram.
Hillary Phelps underscore LinkedIn. I like to share. Yeah. Different things across all the platforms. Like LinkedIn is very professional and business driven. Instagram is more fun. And Day to Day and substat. I've got all the, all the content. Someone laughed. They're like, I didn't know when I became a business owner I'd also need to be a content creator. That's so true.
[01:31:57] Speaker C: So true.
[01:31:58] Speaker B: So I feel like I'm on everything but TikTok.
[01:32:00] Speaker A: And obviously we'll get this in the show notes and we'll make sure for people to find.
[01:32:06] Speaker C: Yeah. Greg Schindler on Instagram and then Omya Life O M Y A dot Life is where you can find out a little bit more about Omia but also Greg Schindler.com which will lead to wherever.
[01:32:18] Speaker D: All the things.
[01:32:19] Speaker C: Yeah, all the things.
[01:32:21] Speaker B: We should have you guys come to the gathering.
[01:32:23] Speaker C: Yeah, that'd be great.
[01:32:24] Speaker B: More about it.
[01:32:26] Speaker D: We don't even know what it is.
[01:32:28] Speaker C: It's an event in September. It's a four day event. September from September 25th to the 29th. And I think that's the heartlandgathering.com and it's a four day event of celebration and transformation and incredible speakers like this year, Aubrey Marcus, I think I can say, I think they're confirmed.
Genabri Marcus and in past years, guys like Rick Doblin, Louis Schwartzberg, who's a beautiful filmmaker. So you have this incredible conversation that's going on. But more than that too, it's a container of curating. Just really, really amazing humans. And that connection that happens and at the gathering is where the magic happens. It's really cool. It's in its third year this year. It's exciting.
[01:33:21] Speaker A: Very cool.
[01:33:22] Speaker C: Yeah.
[01:33:22] Speaker A: Well, thank you so much. Yeah, we're so grateful you guys came up and spent time with us.
[01:33:26] Speaker B: Thanks for having us.
[01:33:27] Speaker C: Thank you.
Welcome to Ace Rob talks for the Superstars tonight.
[01:33:36] Speaker B: Tonight.
